A former Navy pilot has weighed in on the drone sightings in New Jersey as the mystery rages on.
Ryan Graves, a former lieutenant, appeared on the Joe Rogan Podcast where he discussed possible technologies powering the drones, which would allow them to avoid detection.
He told Rogan that law enforcement has been unable to pick up the objects with their infrared systems, suggesting the drones are using ‘some type of signature management’ to reduce heat emissions.
‘We do this in fighter jets… where we cover the engine to essentially make it harder to see, but to have zero ability to detect or lock onto these objects is not the technology I’m familiar with,’ said Graves.
The pilot pointed how the objects are not behaving like normal aircraft, such as their High-G force maneuvers that include sharp turns, climbs and dives.
‘Then they remain in the area for another five or six or seven hours and still have the battery life or whatever’s propelling them to then go over the ocean to a point where they’re untrackable again. I’m not really familiar with that type of capability,’ he said.
Graves became a household name in the UAP world in 2023 when he became the first active-duty pilot to come forward publicly about regular sightings of UAP.
He testified in front of Congress that year, claiming to have had firsthand encounters or knowledge about secret government programs involving technology that is ‘non-human.’
‘The word on the street is that these objects appear to be coming from over the ocean, said Graves during the podcast.
Ryan Graves, a former high-ranking intelligence official who testified under oath to Congress about UAPs, appeared on Joe Rogan’s podcast Tuesday to share his take on the mysterious drones in New Jersey
‘There’s senior congressmen, Coast Guard personnel, law enforcement [who are] seeing a large number of these come from somewhere over the ocean.
‘I don’t know if that means necessarily they’re popping out of the water physically or if they’re coming from some unknown location in the water and then proceeding over the coast.’
‘They are flying very low, in some cases they seem to be operating as a group in the vicinity of each other. They are emitting energy or not so you know like radio communications or their own.
‘It’s unknown I’ve poked on that front and best I can tell the government doesn’t know either.’
The sightings began mid-November with the first sightings over Picatinny Arsenal in Rockaway.
Rogan said that ‘it is so weird’ that the drones are a mystery to the White House.
Graves offered some explanations, suggesting that the drones might be using cameras to measure their surroundings instead of radar, which is more easily detectable.
He told Joe Rogan that the drones are able to manage their heat signatures, allowing them to go undetected by the government
The former Air Force pilot pointed how the objects are not behaving like normal aircraft, such as their High-G force maneuvers that include sharp turns, climbs and dives
‘They could have a self-contained navigational system with their onboard maps and they’re using cameras to map where they are,’ he said.
Rogan asked if the technology would make them completely autonomous, to which Graves said: ‘Exactly.’
‘I could imagine a fully self-contained autonomous drone system that is doing something potentially with passive sensors that allows it to operate without emissions, which is going to make it harder to track,’ he said.
Rogan asked why the powers of be have not put a stop to the drones, and the former pilot said it all comes down to the laws in the US.
While the White House has yet to provide the public with answer, it has been holding classified briefings on the matter.
‘Because of that they essentially need a warrant in order to wiretap these,’ Graves said, explaining that is the feedback he has received.
‘[They need a warrant] to even intercept these signals that they may or may not even be emitting to be able to determine where they’re going.’
He explained that base commanders have to submit a request to the Secretary of Defense, making it ‘a super politically charged situation.’
‘If they take action and shoot one of these down even with this the Secretary of Defense’s permission you know they’re on the hook if that thing takes out a school bus or otherwise damages someone’s property kill somebody,’ said Graves.
Graves imaged the drones have ‘a self-contained navigational system with their onboard maps and they’re using cameras to map where they are,
Rogan began the Tuesday podcast by discussing the different narratives surrounding the mysterious sightings.
‘The scariest one that I’ve heard is that their drones are looking for gamma radiation because there’s a missing nuke. Let’s address that one first please,’ he said.
Rogan had been quiet about the New Jersey drones until John Ferguson, who runs Saxon Unmanned, posted a TikTok video claiming the craft was looking for either a gas leak of ‘radioactive material.’
Graves told the podcaster that he has interacted with individuals who work on weapons of mass destruction and they told him that ‘there’s not a loose nuke or other type of weapon of mass destruction that these objects are pursuing right now.’
‘Otherwise they’d be working in a skiff nonstop to make that go away,’ he added.
The response, however, did not hit home with Rogan who questioned if Graves’ sources were being truthful.
‘How [did] they persuade you? Just by saying ‘that’s not the case’ or have they given you any information that leads to this conclusion,’ Rogan asked.
Graves replied that the people he spoke to would be the ones responsible for finding the nuke or weapon of mass destruction.
The mayor of Belleville, Michael Melham, had said on Fox TV’s ‘Good Day New York’ Tuesday that the drones may be looking for radioactive material.
‘It was a shipment. It arrived at its destination. The container was damaged, and it was empty,’ Melham said.
The mayor was referring to an alert from the US Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) that said a piece of medical equipment used for cancer scans went missing on December 2 during transit through the state.
The device, known as a ‘pin source,’ contained a small amount of Germanium-68 (Ge-68)used to calibrate a medical scanner’s accuracy.
The pin source contained about 0.267 millicuries (mCi) of Ge-68, which is a very small amount that would only cause harm during close and prolonged exposure.
The material emits low-energy gamma radiation, making it useful for calibration purposes in medical equipment.
